Nas’ “Surviving the Times” vs. Wordsmith’s “As the Art Fades Away”

Written by Rizoh. Posted in Music

Published on October 09, 2007 with 83 Comments">83 Comments

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This happens way too often in the music industry. A big name artist releases a song. A week later, a little known artist pops up and contends that he had the idea/track first. What’s unique about this case is that it involves two incredibly talented wordsmiths, Nas and Wordsmith.

Nas’ “Surviving the Times,” produced by Chris Webber, turned up last week as part of his Greatest Hits compilation. Wordsmith’s “As the Art Fades Away,” produced by Strada, was supposedly recorded in 2006. The common thread that weaves both tracks together is the lush, soulful sample of the Wiz’s “What Would I Do If I Could Feel.” However, Word’s version has a harder-hitting bassline than the C-Webber-produced Nas joint.

According to a statement I received from Strada, Wordsmith’s song was also registered with ASCAP last year. I did a quick database search with ASCAP to verify that claim. True enough, “As the Art Fades” has been registered under Wordsmith’s name, but there’s no indication of the year it was added. It’s also worth noting that the song has never been officially released. In fact, Word states in the email that he intends to release the official version of “As the Art Fades Away” as the first single from his debut on December 1st.

Granted, both songs share a sonic resemblance. Conceptually, though, Word’s song is more similar to Snoop Dogg’s “Imagine” than “Surviving the Times.” Nas’ joint has a more personal feel to it, since he’s detailing his own experiences as an aspiring MC. Nas is not a biter, he’s a writer for himself and others.

Which one made a better impression on you?

Wordsmith – “As the Art Fades Away” (Produced by Strada)

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Nas – “Surviving the Times” (produced by Chris Webber)

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TRU

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  • onenonly

    you all r nuts word had this track n either cwebber did for them to be so well know n u all thinkin word a fake why they steal from a fake id rather be called a fake than a thief word your tracks are hot lookin foward to ur video dec 1st have a blast with ur gunit tour

  • onenonly

    you all r nuts word had this track n either cwebber did for them to be so well know n u all thinkin word a fake why they steal from a fake id rather be called a fake than a thief word your tracks are hot lookin foward to ur video dec 1st have a blast with ur gunit tour

  • onenonly

    you all r nuts word had this track n either cwebber did for them to be so well know n u all thinkin word a fake why they steal from a fake id rather be called a fake than a thief word your tracks are hot lookin foward to ur video dec 1st have a blast with ur gunit tour

  • rod

    ITS CLEAR THE MAN WORDSMITH IS VERY TALENTED AND EITHER NAS OR WEBBER OR BOTH HEARD HIS TRACK WHEN THE ARTS FADE AWAY N RIPPED IT OFF THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT WHO WOULD CARE BUT YOU SEE THE MAN WORD AND ALL HIS FANS CARE BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS WORDS WHY BECAUSE WORD PUT IT OUT THERE 2 YEARS AGO N ROCKS IT AT CLUBS IN NYC BMORE VA MASS TX U NAME IT HE JUST DID IT AT A SHOW IN DE THAT ROMELLO COMBS HOOKED UP FOR HIM PLEASE WE ALL KNOW SHIT HAPPENS IN THIS BIZ DONT HATE THE KAT WORD FOR CLAIMIN HIS OWN JUST MOVE ON N HEY MOVE ON TO WORDS OTHER TRACKS N SEE THE LYRICS FLOW

  • rod

    ITS CLEAR THE MAN WORDSMITH IS VERY TALENTED AND EITHER NAS OR WEBBER OR BOTH HEARD HIS TRACK WHEN THE ARTS FADE AWAY N RIPPED IT OFF THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT WHO WOULD CARE BUT YOU SEE THE MAN WORD AND ALL HIS FANS CARE BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS WORDS WHY BECAUSE WORD PUT IT OUT THERE 2 YEARS AGO N ROCKS IT AT CLUBS IN NYC BMORE VA MASS TX U NAME IT HE JUST DID IT AT A SHOW IN DE THAT ROMELLO COMBS HOOKED UP FOR HIM PLEASE WE ALL KNOW SHIT HAPPENS IN THIS BIZ DONT HATE THE KAT WORD FOR CLAIMIN HIS OWN JUST MOVE ON N HEY MOVE ON TO WORDS OTHER TRACKS N SEE THE LYRICS FLOW

  • rod

    ITS CLEAR THE MAN WORDSMITH IS VERY TALENTED AND EITHER NAS OR WEBBER OR BOTH HEARD HIS TRACK WHEN THE ARTS FADE AWAY N RIPPED IT OFF THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT WHO WOULD CARE BUT YOU SEE THE MAN WORD AND ALL HIS FANS CARE BECAUSE THEY KNEW IT WAS WORDS WHY BECAUSE WORD PUT IT OUT THERE 2 YEARS AGO N ROCKS IT AT CLUBS IN NYC BMORE VA MASS TX U NAME IT HE JUST DID IT AT A SHOW IN DE THAT ROMELLO COMBS HOOKED UP FOR HIM PLEASE WE ALL KNOW SHIT HAPPENS IN THIS BIZ DONT HATE THE KAT WORD FOR CLAIMIN HIS OWN JUST MOVE ON N HEY MOVE ON TO WORDS OTHER TRACKS N SEE THE LYRICS FLOW

  • SC

    HEY I WANT TO SHOUT ALL TO YOU WORD I HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU AND HOW YOUR HANDLIN THIS CONTROVERSY THIS IS THE BIZ AND YOU ARE A MAN AND A MAN MUST ALWAYS STAND UP FOR WHAT HE CREATES AS WELL AS WHAT HE MAY NOT ITS OBVIOUS TO ALL WHO HAVE LISTENED TO BOTH TRACKS THAT SOMETHIN AINT RIGHT AND FROM WHAT I HEAR THE MAN WORD BEEN SPITTIN THIS TRACK FOR 2 YEARS SO TECH IT IS HIS YEA MY MAN NAS PUT HIS RHYMES DOWN ON IT BUT IT ISNT TOTALLY HIS FAULT NOW WEBBER CANT SAY WHERE HE GOT THE SAME CONCEPT I WONT EVEN BEGIN TO TRY NOW YOU ALL ASK WHY WE DONT GET REPLY FROM NEITHER KAT CRAZY BUT THEY PAY PEEPS TO DO THIER TALKIN AND MOST LIKELY THEY ARE BEIN TOLD SILENCE IS GOLDEN BUT HOMIES YOUR PAYIN FOR SOME BAD ADVICE BUT WE LIVE N LEARN YO MY MAN BRINKS YOU GO DO THE INTERVIEW WITH THE KAT TO RESOLVE SHIT BUT YOU DIDNT KNOW SHIT MAN YOU LOOKED FOOLISH YOU DID NO LOOKIN INTO THE SHIT WOW IT BLEW ME AWAY TO SEE YOU DIDT TALK TO WEBBER PRIOR TO YOUR INTERVIEW WITH WORD YO WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR LOL IM TRYIN TO KEEP IT REAL IM IN THE BIZ N YO MY BOYS YOU KNOW WHO I AM LOL IVE BEEN DISHED SHIT BEFORE TOO YO MY MAN WORD THIS IS THE BIZ WE DEALT SHIT CHEW IT UP SPIT IT OUT N MOVE ON WHEN YOU SITTIN BACK CHILLIN TO MUCH GREEN TO COUNT WHO GOIN TO GIVE A SHIT LOL WORD JUST KNOW WE ALL KNOW AND ILL BE HEARIN YOU I HAVE TO SAY YOU DEF GOIN TO BE BRINGIN US ALL SOME COMPETITION PEACE

  • SC

    HEY I WANT TO SHOUT ALL TO YOU WORD I HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU AND HOW YOUR HANDLIN THIS CONTROVERSY THIS IS THE BIZ AND YOU ARE A MAN AND A MAN MUST ALWAYS STAND UP FOR WHAT HE CREATES AS WELL AS WHAT HE MAY NOT ITS OBVIOUS TO ALL WHO HAVE LISTENED TO BOTH TRACKS THAT SOMETHIN AINT RIGHT AND FROM WHAT I HEAR THE MAN WORD BEEN SPITTIN THIS TRACK FOR 2 YEARS SO TECH IT IS HIS YEA MY MAN NAS PUT HIS RHYMES DOWN ON IT BUT IT ISNT TOTALLY HIS FAULT NOW WEBBER CANT SAY WHERE HE GOT THE SAME CONCEPT I WONT EVEN BEGIN TO TRY NOW YOU ALL ASK WHY WE DONT GET REPLY FROM NEITHER KAT CRAZY BUT THEY PAY PEEPS TO DO THIER TALKIN AND MOST LIKELY THEY ARE BEIN TOLD SILENCE IS GOLDEN BUT HOMIES YOUR PAYIN FOR SOME BAD ADVICE BUT WE LIVE N LEARN YO MY MAN BRINKS YOU GO DO THE INTERVIEW WITH THE KAT TO RESOLVE SHIT BUT YOU DIDNT KNOW SHIT MAN YOU LOOKED FOOLISH YOU DID NO LOOKIN INTO THE SHIT WOW IT BLEW ME AWAY TO SEE YOU DIDT TALK TO WEBBER PRIOR TO YOUR INTERVIEW WITH WORD YO WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR LOL IM TRYIN TO KEEP IT REAL IM IN THE BIZ N YO MY BOYS YOU KNOW WHO I AM LOL IVE BEEN DISHED SHIT BEFORE TOO YO MY MAN WORD THIS IS THE BIZ WE DEALT SHIT CHEW IT UP SPIT IT OUT N MOVE ON WHEN YOU SITTIN BACK CHILLIN TO MUCH GREEN TO COUNT WHO GOIN TO GIVE A SHIT LOL WORD JUST KNOW WE ALL KNOW AND ILL BE HEARIN YOU I HAVE TO SAY YOU DEF GOIN TO BE BRINGIN US ALL SOME COMPETITION PEACE

  • SC

    HEY I WANT TO SHOUT ALL TO YOU WORD I HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU AND HOW YOUR HANDLIN THIS CONTROVERSY THIS IS THE BIZ AND YOU ARE A MAN AND A MAN MUST ALWAYS STAND UP FOR WHAT HE CREATES AS WELL AS WHAT HE MAY NOT ITS OBVIOUS TO ALL WHO HAVE LISTENED TO BOTH TRACKS THAT SOMETHIN AINT RIGHT AND FROM WHAT I HEAR THE MAN WORD BEEN SPITTIN THIS TRACK FOR 2 YEARS SO TECH IT IS HIS YEA MY MAN NAS PUT HIS RHYMES DOWN ON IT BUT IT ISNT TOTALLY HIS FAULT NOW WEBBER CANT SAY WHERE HE GOT THE SAME CONCEPT I WONT EVEN BEGIN TO TRY NOW YOU ALL ASK WHY WE DONT GET REPLY FROM NEITHER KAT CRAZY BUT THEY PAY PEEPS TO DO THIER TALKIN AND MOST LIKELY THEY ARE BEIN TOLD SILENCE IS GOLDEN BUT HOMIES YOUR PAYIN FOR SOME BAD ADVICE BUT WE LIVE N LEARN YO MY MAN BRINKS YOU GO DO THE INTERVIEW WITH THE KAT TO RESOLVE SHIT BUT YOU DIDNT KNOW SHIT MAN YOU LOOKED FOOLISH YOU DID NO LOOKIN INTO THE SHIT WOW IT BLEW ME AWAY TO SEE YOU DIDT TALK TO WEBBER PRIOR TO YOUR INTERVIEW WITH WORD YO WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR LOL IM TRYIN TO KEEP IT REAL IM IN THE BIZ N YO MY BOYS YOU KNOW WHO I AM LOL IVE BEEN DISHED SHIT BEFORE TOO YO MY MAN WORD THIS IS THE BIZ WE DEALT SHIT CHEW IT UP SPIT IT OUT N MOVE ON WHEN YOU SITTIN BACK CHILLIN TO MUCH GREEN TO COUNT WHO GOIN TO GIVE A SHIT LOL WORD JUST KNOW WE ALL KNOW AND ILL BE HEARIN YOU I HAVE TO SAY YOU DEF GOIN TO BE BRINGIN US ALL SOME COMPETITION PEACE

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  • sometimes

    I GONNA SAY IT LIKE THIS!!!! ANYONW WHO SPENDS THEIR TIME AND MONEY ON WORDSMITH IS A FOOL. THAT GUY HAS BEEN A CON IN THE GAME FOR YEARS. IT DONT MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS IS HIS, THE FACT IS HE IS A PUNK…NOT A MAN…. HE SHOULD WEAR A PINK SH=KIRT WHEN HE IS ON STAGE. … NOW WE ALL KNOW NAS AND WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY. THE FACT IS HE NEEDS ATTENTION…SO GO AHEAD AND CRY WORDSMITH…CRY ABOUT IT LIL BABY….. DO US ALL A FAVOR A JUST SHUT YOUR NON RAPPING…BORING SAME OLD STYLE OVER AND OVER..ASS UP!!! PEOPLE STOP GIVING THIS LIL PUNK ATTENTION. IM ON THE EASTCOAST AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. YOU DONT EVEN STAND IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS OUR PIONEERS. PEOPLE THERE IS ENOUGH REAL TALENT OUT HERE TO EVEN BE BOTHERED BY THIS HOMOSEXUAL.

  • sometimes

    I GONNA SAY IT LIKE THIS!!!! ANYONW WHO SPENDS THEIR TIME AND MONEY ON WORDSMITH IS A FOOL. THAT GUY HAS BEEN A CON IN THE GAME FOR YEARS. IT DONT MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS IS HIS, THE FACT IS HE IS A PUNK…NOT A MAN…. HE SHOULD WEAR A PINK SH=KIRT WHEN HE IS ON STAGE. … NOW WE ALL KNOW NAS AND WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY. THE FACT IS HE NEEDS ATTENTION…SO GO AHEAD AND CRY WORDSMITH…CRY ABOUT IT LIL BABY….. DO US ALL A FAVOR A JUST SHUT YOUR NON RAPPING…BORING SAME OLD STYLE OVER AND OVER..ASS UP!!! PEOPLE STOP GIVING THIS LIL PUNK ATTENTION. IM ON THE EASTCOAST AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. YOU DONT EVEN STAND IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS OUR PIONEERS. PEOPLE THERE IS ENOUGH REAL TALENT OUT HERE TO EVEN BE BOTHERED BY THIS HOMOSEXUAL.

  • sometimes

    I GONNA SAY IT LIKE THIS!!!! ANYONW WHO SPENDS THEIR TIME AND MONEY ON WORDSMITH IS A FOOL. THAT GUY HAS BEEN A CON IN THE GAME FOR YEARS. IT DONT MATTER WHAT HE CLAIMS IS HIS, THE FACT IS HE IS A PUNK…NOT A MAN…. HE SHOULD WEAR A PINK SH=KIRT WHEN HE IS ON STAGE. … NOW WE ALL KNOW NAS AND WE ALL KNOW THE HISTORY. THE FACT IS HE NEEDS ATTENTION…SO GO AHEAD AND CRY WORDSMITH…CRY ABOUT IT LIL BABY….. DO US ALL A FAVOR A JUST SHUT YOUR NON RAPPING…BORING SAME OLD STYLE OVER AND OVER..ASS UP!!! PEOPLE STOP GIVING THIS LIL PUNK ATTENTION. IM ON THE EASTCOAST AND HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME. YOU DONT EVEN STAND IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS OUR PIONEERS. PEOPLE THERE IS ENOUGH REAL TALENT OUT HERE TO EVEN BE BOTHERED BY THIS HOMOSEXUAL.

  • SC

    @sometimes
    you may sit on the eastcoast man but you obviuosly are not in the game i know this why well yo i am and im one of the best pioneers east/west and we in this biz and out know the history about the game and be real this isnt the first time someone stole someones shit and if you were a true pioneer like you call yourself you would respect not hate and not act with immaturity as you have presented in this bogus statement to call a man a homosexual u2 must be one for the only way u have just cause to do that is if he fuckin you and to call him a con well then dont hide behind your words give facts not garbage i seriously doubt you know nas my friend because one thing we dont keep are assholes as you for homies so you go cry and leave this dude alone cry because you have no talent thats what all the negativity stems from you know the man obviously has talent he going on tour wit my boyz gunit are you lol please give it up hater you cant put yourself in the same class as word nas or myself punk this goes out to you word i intend to contact you asap and welcome you to the biz one artist to another and a fyi haters like the dude sometimes wont ever go away just gives us a laugh because hes the same fool who makes us the money buyin our shit lol peace

  • SC

    @sometimes
    you may sit on the eastcoast man but you obviuosly are not in the game i know this why well yo i am and im one of the best pioneers east/west and we in this biz and out know the history about the game and be real this isnt the first time someone stole someones shit and if you were a true pioneer like you call yourself you would respect not hate and not act with immaturity as you have presented in this bogus statement to call a man a homosexual u2 must be one for the only way u have just cause to do that is if he fuckin you and to call him a con well then dont hide behind your words give facts not garbage i seriously doubt you know nas my friend because one thing we dont keep are assholes as you for homies so you go cry and leave this dude alone cry because you have no talent thats what all the negativity stems from you know the man obviously has talent he going on tour wit my boyz gunit are you lol please give it up hater you cant put yourself in the same class as word nas or myself punk this goes out to you word i intend to contact you asap and welcome you to the biz one artist to another and a fyi haters like the dude sometimes wont ever go away just gives us a laugh because hes the same fool who makes us the money buyin our shit lol peace

  • SC

    @sometimes
    you may sit on the eastcoast man but you obviuosly are not in the game i know this why well yo i am and im one of the best pioneers east/west and we in this biz and out know the history about the game and be real this isnt the first time someone stole someones shit and if you were a true pioneer like you call yourself you would respect not hate and not act with immaturity as you have presented in this bogus statement to call a man a homosexual u2 must be one for the only way u have just cause to do that is if he fuckin you and to call him a con well then dont hide behind your words give facts not garbage i seriously doubt you know nas my friend because one thing we dont keep are assholes as you for homies so you go cry and leave this dude alone cry because you have no talent thats what all the negativity stems from you know the man obviously has talent he going on tour wit my boyz gunit are you lol please give it up hater you cant put yourself in the same class as word nas or myself punk this goes out to you word i intend to contact you asap and welcome you to the biz one artist to another and a fyi haters like the dude sometimes wont ever go away just gives us a laugh because hes the same fool who makes us the money buyin our shit lol peace

  • ThreeXL

    This was not only stolen by c. webb but also by Strada… My camp produced the exact same track in 03 that you will hear on the NAS record..(NOT JUST THE SAMPLE)the entire drum seq also…. NOW What!! there is a gang of press on this fool wordsmith when we should be gettin some publishing…. We got our lawyers on it though… this shit will come out

    X

  • ThreeXL

    This was not only stolen by c. webb but also by Strada… My camp produced the exact same track in 03 that you will hear on the NAS record..(NOT JUST THE SAMPLE)the entire drum seq also…. NOW What!! there is a gang of press on this fool wordsmith when we should be gettin some publishing…. We got our lawyers on it though… this shit will come out

    X

  • ThreeXL

    This was not only stolen by c. webb but also by Strada… My camp produced the exact same track in 03 that you will hear on the NAS record..(NOT JUST THE SAMPLE)the entire drum seq also…. NOW What!! there is a gang of press on this fool wordsmith when we should be gettin some publishing…. We got our lawyers on it though… this shit will come out

    X

  • http://...underconstruction... MzKhalfan

    My love is almost always for the nameless, (those whose stories rarely find their way into the papers or onto the television screens), the real heroes of this Hip hop music who simply take the hand life situations and do the best they can so that everybody else (like Wordsmith’ and them) will have that fair shot (they only need). Nasir bin Oludara Jones is that person in Hip hop world.

  • http://hotmail.com cizr

    nas wins cuz better lyrics and about his life

  • http://hotmail.com cizr

    nas wins cuz better lyrics and about his life

  • http://hotmail.com cizr

    nas wins cuz better lyrics and about his life

  • Eye Cue

    Nas can’t do such….C’mon, this dude has been in the game for close to 11 years now. Wordsmith’s tryn to get some publicity….I guess?

  • Eye Cue

    Nas can’t do such….C’mon, this dude has been in the game for close to 11 years now. Wordsmith’s tryn to get some publicity….I guess?

  • Eye Cue

    Nas can’t do such….C’mon, this dude has been in the game for close to 11 years now. Wordsmith’s tryn to get some publicity….I guess?

  • thanx#7….

    ….on that note – w/ that info on the look back – wordsmith need to leave that alone. like several people have said – ITS A SAMPLE B!
    damn C Web b4 i got this info i thought u was crazy nice with it.

  • thanx#7….

    ….on that note – w/ that info on the look back – wordsmith need to leave that alone. like several people have said – ITS A SAMPLE B!
    damn C Web b4 i got this info i thought u was crazy nice with it.

  • http://my.rawkus.com/xn/detail/u_27jquatz5v7ip Luke

    I don’t understand the big deal here. I mean…first off, Nas and Wordsmith both riped this song from the Wiz. Ripping from old songs has happened since the beginning of the Rap era. They both sound good and obviously were not trying to copy one another. Who cares?? They both rock the speakers so stop beatin’ a dead horse and enjoy the music.

  • http://my.rawkus.com/xn/detail/u_27jquatz5v7ip Luke

    I don’t understand the big deal here. I mean…first off, Nas and Wordsmith both riped this song from the Wiz. Ripping from old songs has happened since the beginning of the Rap era. They both sound good and obviously were not trying to copy one another. Who cares?? They both rock the speakers so stop beatin’ a dead horse and enjoy the music.

  • Jadahug

    Krayzie Bone sampled this back in 99 on his song Power.

  • Jadahug

    Krayzie Bone sampled this back in 99 on his song Power.

  • Yung_HAV3k

    I think some of these people are confused. because it isnt “stealing” to use a sample someones used before. a lot of people do ex:

    Ive got a story to tell-rhymefest/lalala-lil wayne

    a biggie song has the same sample as a big L song, n the list just goes on n on.

    n if you had to say someone was “stealing” it wouldnt be nas. it would be weber, n honestly i dont think he stole shit. i mean sure its not the coolest thing someone can do by using a sample used before, but its by no means STEALIN

    i like both songs so yeah…

  • Yung_HAV3k

    I think some of these people are confused. because it isnt “stealing” to use a sample someones used before. a lot of people do ex:

    Ive got a story to tell-rhymefest/lalala-lil wayne

    a biggie song has the same sample as a big L song, n the list just goes on n on.

    n if you had to say someone was “stealing” it wouldnt be nas. it would be weber, n honestly i dont think he stole shit. i mean sure its not the coolest thing someone can do by using a sample used before, but its by no means STEALIN

    i like both songs so yeah…

  • asdfa

    Wouldn’t it bee more useful to post the original sample?

  • asdfa

    Wouldn’t it bee more useful to post the original sample?

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