The Pros and Cons of Wu-Tang Clan vs. Slaughterhouse

Written by The Rap Up. Posted in Gumbo

Published on July 09, 2009 with 31 Comments">31 Comments

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Last night, Andrew put me on to this Inspectah Deck diss track in which he goes at Joe Budden. Though he (Andrew) hailed it as the beginning of the epic battle between the 300 and the Persian army, I was not convinced until I heard the song. Even then, my initial reaction was, “Ok, so they sent Deck? Joey gets no respect.” But at the end of the day, my cynical side is the reasonable side and I realized that he’s the one with an album release date in 2009 listed as TBA. Of course they sent Deck, its all business. Now I’m going to go ahead and assume that if/when Jumpoff responds, he will mention the entire Wu-Tang Clan and I hope and pray that he recruits the help of his co-workers beforehand. So it takes a little imagination and looking forward into the future, but we could legitimately see the battle of the decade beginning before us. That being said, since we all know that Joe Budden has the “Jayceon Taylor disease” which makes him incapable of holding his tongue; we can assume that something will happen. So, here are my pros and cons to what could turn into a very legit battle if the right people get off of the sidelines.

Pros:

5. Joe Budden has had a rough enough road in the music business that he will never have the spot he wants. He has already accepted a lower level of greatness and become quite comfortable in it, a great showing here will solidify him as the best in class (“Tech-savvy battle rappers” sounds better than “tweef-mongers”, “internet gangsters”, “web-soldiers”, “e-spitters”, “best rapper in the world wide web”, etc).

4. Inspectah Deck needs this. Let’s just be honest. He probably begged Meth and RZA if he could take a whack at this one. Dude has bars, what he needs are fans.

3. As much as I love the Wu-Tang clan they have become soft and dough-like lately. Beyond the Chef and Meth, who is really still wow-ing people with any kind of consistency? This could be their chance to remind people that Wu-Tang clan ain’t nothing to f*ck with.

2. Some people don’t respect the lyricism of Slaughterhouse and a showcase of their talent against a veteran team could send record sales through the roof on their debut album.

1. In hip-hop, great songs are made all the time (especially in the days of the internets) but throughout our history, battles have always been the stuff of legend. Of course we always hope that cooler heads prevail and it remains a contest of wit and lyrical ability, but these situations are known for producing superior lyricism.

Cons:

5. Joe stands to lose a few fans, and I don’t think he can afford that. People get sensitive about the Wu, just check the comment boards around town. People can’t stand to see the circle of life taking its natural progression.

4. It might be hard to get the entire Wu family off of the bench, especially considering that Meth wasn’t really planning on retaliating according to his initial reports. I suppose a change of heart might be in order if he’s called out in a song.

3. Slaughterhouse could easily wind up being characterized as disrespectful brats who just couldn’t make it, if they don’t play this one right. If you think about it, they have all been rejected in one way or another by the sitting stewards of their respective regions (with the exception of Joell). The last thing they want to do is turn this into an old vs. new situation.

2. Recent infighting might keep all of the members of RZA’s family from properly participating in what should be a team effort and that would really nullify any result that could develop.

1. There is no widely accepted method for determining the winner of a contest or the worth of an individual song, so fans on both sides will never admit that their favorite took a loss. So if this disintegrates into a contest of who has the most fans or whose fans are the loudest, then it will be a colossal waste of our time.

  • http://my.rawkus.com/profile/Rizoh Rizoh

    Am I the only one that initially read that as Slaughter Mouse?

  • http://my.rawkus.com/profile/Rizoh Rizoh

    Am I the only one that initially read that as Slaughter Mouse?

  • Austin

    @Rizoh

    Don’t tease me. A Slaughterhouse album produced by Dangermouse would basically be the best thing ever.

    Well, maybe not better than a Wu album produced by Dangermouse.

  • Austin

    @Rizoh

    Don’t tease me. A Slaughterhouse album produced by Dangermouse would basically be the best thing ever.

    Well, maybe not better than a Wu album produced by Dangermouse.

  • J to the AAP

    “Beyond the Chef and Meth, who is really still wow-ing people with any kind of consistency?”

    Ghost.

  • J to the AAP

    “Beyond the Chef and Meth, who is really still wow-ing people with any kind of consistency?”

    Ghost.

  • ATI

    “Beyond the Chef and Meth, who is really still wow-ing people with any kind of consistency?”

    Raekwon? consistent? Ghostface Killah is by far the most consistent solo artist in the Wu, and has been for years. Not to mention he’s the only one who has consistently remained artistically and critically revelant. Meth’s last solo LP was above-average at best, and we’re still waiting on a credible follow-up to OB4CL.

    “a showcase of their talent against a veteran team could send record sales through the roof on their debut album.”

    Highly unlikely – there’s barely a single member of either crew that can break 50k the first week – neither of these groups are going to be doing numbers at this point in their careers; add that to the fact that SH is on Koch, and we can pretty much bet on a commercial failure.

    Plus, I don’t see the excitment of a SH vs. 15 years past their prime Wu-Tang. When Joe Buddens can make a Tical, I’ll consider taking him seriously.

  • ATI

    “Beyond the Chef and Meth, who is really still wow-ing people with any kind of consistency?”

    Raekwon? consistent? Ghostface Killah is by far the most consistent solo artist in the Wu, and has been for years. Not to mention he’s the only one who has consistently remained artistically and critically revelant. Meth’s last solo LP was above-average at best, and we’re still waiting on a credible follow-up to OB4CL.

    “a showcase of their talent against a veteran team could send record sales through the roof on their debut album.”

    Highly unlikely – there’s barely a single member of either crew that can break 50k the first week – neither of these groups are going to be doing numbers at this point in their careers; add that to the fact that SH is on Koch, and we can pretty much bet on a commercial failure.

    Plus, I don’t see the excitment of a SH vs. 15 years past their prime Wu-Tang. When Joe Buddens can make a Tical, I’ll consider taking him seriously.

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  • http://therapup.net Nahshon

    I love Ghost’s work. Just not recently. He had 2 verses on 9 diagrams that I liked.

  • http://therapup.net Nahshon

    I love Ghost’s work. Just not recently. He had 2 verses on 9 diagrams that I liked.

  • Milliondollamindz

    whoaaaa.. This is a great piece of work here.. I agree on the pros and cons… But WU is the one of the greatest.. groups ever in hiphop next to Public Enemy and NWA..

    Who is marketing director or management for slaughterhouse.. Put the humble dudes on the forefront.. but this 2pac bravado isn;t working for Pump it Up.. ! like come on Buddens

    Have you seen Tical Live ? You can never rock harder than Meth

  • Milliondollamindz

    whoaaaa.. This is a great piece of work here.. I agree on the pros and cons… But WU is the one of the greatest.. groups ever in hiphop next to Public Enemy and NWA..

    Who is marketing director or management for slaughterhouse.. Put the humble dudes on the forefront.. but this 2pac bravado isn;t working for Pump it Up.. ! like come on Buddens

    Have you seen Tical Live ? You can never rock harder than Meth

  • Andrew

    I just want to point out that I’ve been championing the “Wu vs. Slaughterhouse” cause on Twitter. I think it could make for the best music in the last decade. We should push for it.

  • Andrew

    I just want to point out that I’ve been championing the “Wu vs. Slaughterhouse” cause on Twitter. I think it could make for the best music in the last decade. We should push for it.

  • IT’S COOL FOR WHITE BOYS TO RA

    Battle of the decade? With the exception of Royce, Slaughterhouse is wack as fuck.

  • IT’S COOL FOR WHITE BOYS TO RAP NOW

    Battle of the decade? With the exception of Royce, Slaughterhouse is wack as fuck.

  • Combat Jack

    Great post

  • Combat Jack

    Great post

  • Frost

    This will never be any sort of epic battle, Buddens is the only one out for a fight. Do you seriously think Royce, Crooked or Joell want it with the Wu? They probably still bumpin C.R.E.A.M. on their Ipods.

  • Frost

    This will never be any sort of epic battle, Buddens is the only one out for a fight. Do you seriously think Royce, Crooked or Joell want it with the Wu? They probably still bumpin C.R.E.A.M. on their Ipods.

  • J to the AAP

    @Nashon: I get that, but he dropped Big Doe Rehab almsot simultaneously (which might not be his best work, granted) and he was definitely on point for most of that album. ‘Walk Around’ was dope and ‘Shakey Dog’ was classic Ghost

  • J to the AAP

    @Nashon: I get that, but he dropped Big Doe Rehab almsot simultaneously (which might not be his best work, granted) and he was definitely on point for most of that album. ‘Walk Around’ was dope and ‘Shakey Dog’ was classic Ghost

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  • http://my.rawkus.com/xn/detail/u_3vhzh5j7ri7i4 credible source

    You guys have to be kidding me. Joe Buddens will destroy any member in the Wu-Tang clan and all ull hear about is how the Wu is so good and no one is slaughterhouse is fuckin with them. The problem is even if Joey responds to Deck (which would be an absolute destruction) more than half of you wont listen to it and the other half will not listen credibly to it. Lyrically Slaughterhouse is shittin on anybody PERIOD. The problem is you hate to see classic dudes take the backseat, well lyrically it would easily happen, and either 2 things will follow:
    1. The beef gets dumbed down cuz Wu fans wont want to hear or have ppl hear their favorite group get manhandled.
    2. No matter how nice Joeys or theoretically Slaughterhouse’s shots are at the Wu and no matter how basic and outdated the Wu’s shots at the house are, people will act like Slaughterhouse just got killed.
    I mean honestly you “hip-hop” fans dissapoint me to death. If he aint old and been famous he’s whack in ur minds. Comparing the Mood Muzik series lyrics to pretty much any album or mixtape effort, you would be like oh shit if you didnt see the name Joe Budden before it. Yall are idiots man and for the record Joe Budden didnt even take shots at Method Man to begin with. Is it really disrespectful or some shit if u think ur better than somebody else and are willing to prove it? Thats where you bums are non-credible the dude said if any one wants to get on the mic with him he’s willing to prove it.. so what happened? Inspectah Deck aka Mylastshotatgettinganyrecognition tries to come at Joe like it was any of his business. I mean seriously thats somebody hes not even gonna waste his fuckin time on. Method Man knows he will get buried lyrically, why else would he get offeneded and not wanna respond? If Adrian Peterson says hes better than Shaun Alexander is he disrespectful and wrong for saying that? I doubt it. And if I was that good lyrically and seen the shit people drop now-a-days and are praised for it, I would have a tough time keeping my mouth shut too.

  • http://my.rawkus.com/xn/detail/u_3vhzh5j7ri7i4 credible source

    You guys have to be kidding me. Joe Buddens will destroy any member in the Wu-Tang clan and all ull hear about is how the Wu is so good and no one is slaughterhouse is fuckin with them. The problem is even if Joey responds to Deck (which would be an absolute destruction) more than half of you wont listen to it and the other half will not listen credibly to it. Lyrically Slaughterhouse is shittin on anybody PERIOD. The problem is you hate to see classic dudes take the backseat, well lyrically it would easily happen, and either 2 things will follow:
    1. The beef gets dumbed down cuz Wu fans wont want to hear or have ppl hear their favorite group get manhandled.
    2. No matter how nice Joeys or theoretically Slaughterhouse’s shots are at the Wu and no matter how basic and outdated the Wu’s shots at the house are, people will act like Slaughterhouse just got killed.
    I mean honestly you “hip-hop” fans dissapoint me to death. If he aint old and been famous he’s whack in ur minds. Comparing the Mood Muzik series lyrics to pretty much any album or mixtape effort, you would be like oh shit if you didnt see the name Joe Budden before it. Yall are idiots man and for the record Joe Budden didnt even take shots at Method Man to begin with. Is it really disrespectful or some shit if u think ur better than somebody else and are willing to prove it? Thats where you bums are non-credible the dude said if any one wants to get on the mic with him he’s willing to prove it.. so what happened? Inspectah Deck aka Mylastshotatgettinganyrecognition tries to come at Joe like it was any of his business. I mean seriously thats somebody hes not even gonna waste his fuckin time on. Method Man knows he will get buried lyrically, why else would he get offeneded and not wanna respond? If Adrian Peterson says hes better than Shaun Alexander is he disrespectful and wrong for saying that? I doubt it. And if I was that good lyrically and seen the shit people drop now-a-days and are praised for it, I would have a tough time keeping my mouth shut too.

  • WeDueThis

    I love the Wu but im going with “Credible Source” on this one. Also ghost is the most consistent wu member, straight up

  • WeDueThis

    I love the Wu but im going with “Credible Source” on this one. Also ghost is the most consistent wu member, straight up

  • think out of the bow

    Wu Tang will be dope no matter what but this shit right here is hip hop! None of this soft pop hop scotch shit! Slaughterhouse is dope as fuck too! Im with CREDIBLE SOURCE!

  • think out of the bow

    Wu Tang will be dope no matter what but this shit right here is hip hop! None of this soft pop hop scotch shit! Slaughterhouse is dope as fuck too! Im with CREDIBLE SOURCE!

  • think out of the bow

    Yup I said Bow thats latin for circle

  • think out of the bow

    Yup I said Bow thats latin for circle

  • fry

    Is he serious? Anyone who appreciates real lyrics wouldn’t spend time on SH except for Royce. Joe Budden…lower level of greatness? Study your history and the present and you will see that Budden n friends are nothing but a tiny blip on the Hip-Hop radar. Royce can spit though…